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Revolution Os

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I was at Agenda 2000

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and uh, one of the people who was there
was Craig Mundie,

0:00:09

who is some kind of
high mucky muck at Microsoft,

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I think uh, vice-president of consumer products
or something like that.

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And uh, I hadn't actually met him

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I, I, I, uh, bumped in to him in an,
in an elevator... in an elevator

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And uh, I looked at his badge and said,
"Oh, I see you work for Microsoft."

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And he looked back to me and said,
"Oh, yeah and what do you do?"

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And I thought he seemed just a sort of a tad dismissive

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I mean, here's the archetypal, you know,
guy in a suit

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looking at a scruffy hacker

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And so I gave him the thousand
yard stare and said,

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"I'm your worst nightmare."

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Wonderview Productions
PRESENTS

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A
J.T.S. Moore
FILM

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REVOLUTION OS

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For most its short, but colorful history,

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the computer industry has been dominated

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by the Windows operating system.

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But that could soon change,

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as Windows faces a strong challenge from Linux

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Silicon Valley has long been the place

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to develop new technology,

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start new companies and get really rich.

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Now The Valley is the front line in a revolution

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fighting for that most
politically incorrect of ideas:

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individual freedom

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Day and night,
a loose confederation of

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hackers and programmers zaps bits pieces of

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computer code around the world as it builds the tools

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to set computer users free

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using open information and
the free exchange of technology

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to achieve its goals.

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This revolution began in the 1980's with

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the Free Software Movement and GNU project.

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And now is most commonly associated

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with Linux and the Open Source Movement.

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What is Linux?

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We do have one sector that taking off today.

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It is the Linux-related sector.

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And I thought this might be
a good opportunity to say,

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"What is Linux?"

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And I'll answer this question for you.

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Many of you probably already know,

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but
There are 12 million users out there

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A computer Operating System
developed by hundreds of

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programmers collaborating on the Internet

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A challenge to Microsoft Windows NT

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Very popular for its speed

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and so this's what the craze is about

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To kind of explain what Linux is you have to

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explain what an Operating System is

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And... the thing about Operating System is
you, I mean...

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you're never ever supposed to see it.

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Because...

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nobody really uses an Operating System,

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people use... programs... on their computer

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And the only mission in life

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of an operating system is to help
those programs run.

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So an operating system never does
anything on its own

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It's only waiting for the programs to

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ask for certain resources or,

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or, ask for a certain file on the disk

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or ask for the programs to

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connect them to the outside world.

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And then the operating system
comes, steps in and then

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tries to make it easy for people
to write programs

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And, What is Open Source?

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Open Source is a way for people to collaborate

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on software without being encumbered
by all of the problems of intellectual property,

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having to negotiate contracts every time
you buy a piece of software,

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have a lot of lawyers involved.

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In general, we just wanna get the software to work

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and we want be able to have

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people contribute fixes to that, etc..

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So we sort of sacrifice some of

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the intellectual property rights

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and just let the whole world
use the software

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Before there could be Linux

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There was Richard Stallman
and the Free Software Movement.

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They think of Richard Stallman as the...

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great philosopher, right.

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And think of me as the engineer

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Richard Stallman is the founding father of
the Free Software Movement.

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Through his efforts to build the
GNU Operating System.

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He created the legal, philosophical and
technological foundation

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for the Free Software Movement.

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Without these contributions,

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it's unlikely that Linux and Open Source

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would have evolved in to their current forms today

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I joined the
MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab in 1971,

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I joined... a thriving community of hackers,

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people who loved programming,

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loved exploring the what they could do
with computers.

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And they had developed
a complete Operating System,

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entirely written there.

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And I became one of the team, that

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continued to improve the Operating System,
adding new capabilities

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That was my job, and I loved it, we all loved it.
That's why we were doing it.

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And [clears throat] we called our system

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"the Incompatible Time Sharing System"

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which is an example of the

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playful spirit

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which defines a hacker.

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Hackers are people who enjoy
playful cleverness.

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Well, it first started going wrong

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as the outside world started pressuring us
to have passwords.

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We didn't have any passwords
on our computer.

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And the reason was that the hackers

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who'd originally designed the system

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realized that passwords were a way
the administrators could control all the users.

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And they didn't want to build tools

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you know, locks and keys for
the administrators to control them,

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so they just didn't do it.
They left that out

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And we had the philosophy
that whoever sitting at the computer

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should be able to do whatever he wants

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and somebody else who was there yesterday
shouldn't be controlling what you do today

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When they put passwords onto one of
the machines at MIT

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I and bunch of other hackers didn't like it,

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I decided to try a subversive sort of hack.
[clears throat]

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I figured out how to decode the passwords,

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so by looking at the database of encoded passwords

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I could figure out what each person
would actually type to login

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And so I sent messages to people, saying,

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"Hello? I see that you've
chosen the password mumble,

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whatever it was.
How about if you do as I do

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just type Enter for your password

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it's much shorter, much easier to type".

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And... of course with this message I was

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implicitly telling them
the security was really just a joke.

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Anyway, but in addition
I was letting them in on this hack.

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And eventually, A fifth of all the
users on that computer joined me

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in using just Enter as their passwords.

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[ Where did the ideas that lead to what is now
called Open Source world?

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How did that begin? Who began that? ]

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It actually began with the start
of computers because at that time

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software was just passed around between people

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And I think it was only like in the
lates 70's or early 80's

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That people started really closing up
their software,

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And saying, "No, you can never
get a look at the source code.

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You can't change the software
even if it's necessary

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for you to fix it, for your own application"

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And... um, you can actually blame
some of that on Microsoft,

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They are one of the real pioneers
of the proprietary software model.

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In the mid 1970's, a group of hackers

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and computer hobbyist in Silicon Valley
formed the "Homebrew Computer Club".

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In the club January 31, 1976 newsletter,

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Bill Gates of the recently formed Microsoft,

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wrote an open letter to the community

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where he made a point by point argument for
the relatively new concept of proprietary software

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up to that point, the practice of computer users
had been to freely pass around software

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with not much thought given to
its ownership

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Known as An Open Letter to Hobbyists,
Bill Gates writes,

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"To me the most critical thing
in the hobby market right now

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is the lack of good software courses,
books and software itself.

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Without good software and an owner
who understands programming,

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A hobby computer is wasted.

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Will quality software be written
for the hobby market?

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Gates goes on to write,
"The feedback we have gotten from

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the hundreds of people who say they are
using BASIC has all been positive.

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Two surprising things are apparent, however.

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1) Most of these "users" never
bought BASIC, and

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2) The amount of royalties we have received
from sales to hobbyists

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makes the time spent on of Altair BASIC
worth less than 2 dollars an hour

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Why is this?

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As the majority of hobbyists must be aware,

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most of you steal your software.

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Hardware must be paid for but software
is something to share.

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Who cares if the people who worked
on it get paid?

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Is this fair?

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One thing you don't do by stealing software

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is get back at MITS for some problem
you may have had

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MITS doesn't make money selling software.

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One thing you do do is prevent
good software from being written.

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Who can afford to do professional work for nothing?

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What hobbyist can put 3-man years into programming,

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finding all bugs, documenting his product
and distribute it for free?

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The fact is,

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no one besides us has invested a lot of money
in hobby software.

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What about the guys who resell Altair BASIC?

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Aren't they making money on hobby software?

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Yes, but those who have been
reported to us may lose in the end.

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They are the ones who give
hobbyists a bad name,

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and should be kicked out of any
club meeting they show up at.

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I would appreciate letters from
anyone who wants to pay up,

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or has a suggestion or comment.

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Signed Bill Gates, General partner, Micro-Soft.

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In the late 70's and early 1980's,
Richard Stallman was

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doing Artificial Intelligence research and coding

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at the MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab.

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Richard had a number of negative experiences

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during that period which soured him

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on the whole idea of commercial software.

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[ such as? ]

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uh... some company wanted to work on and
wanted to fix was locked up.

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and he couldn't get the company that owned
on the code to let him fix it

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even though it would have been to their advantage to do so.

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And that put me into a moral dilemma, you see?

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Because to get one of the modern computers
of the day, which was the early 80's,

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you would have to get a proprietory
operating system.

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The developers of those systems
didn't share with other people,

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Instead they tried to control the users,

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dominate the users, restrict them.

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Say, if to get the system,

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you have to sign a promise you won't
share with anybody else.

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And to me that was essentially a promise
to be a bad person,

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to betray the rest of the world,

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cut myself off from society
from a cooperating community.

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And I had already experienced what happened
when other people did that to us,

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when they refused to share with us.

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because they had signed these contracts.

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And it hurt the whole lab,

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it kept us from doing useful things before.

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So I just wasn't going to do that.

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I thought,"This is wrong!
I am not going to live this way"

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And from experiences like this
he developed a profound hostility

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to the idea of
intellectual property and software.

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He eventually acted this out
by founding the Free Software Foundation.

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So, I looked for another alternative
and I realized:

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I was an operating system developer.

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If I were to develop another operating system.

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And then as the author,
encourage everyone to share it.

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Say, everyone, " You come and get it,
use this, form a new community"

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Not only could I gave myself a way
to keep using computers without

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betraying other people,
but I'd give it to everybody else, too.

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Everybody would have a
way out of that moral dilemma

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And so I realized this was
what I had to do with my life.

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I actually began the project in January of 1984.

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That's when I resigned for my job at MIT

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to start developing the GNU operating system.

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Now I should explain the name GNU is a hack.

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Because it's a recursive acronym.

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It stands for "GNU's Not Unix".

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You see so the "G" in "GNU" stands for "GNU".

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And what the name means is

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I was developing a system that was like
the Unix operating system,

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but was not the Unix operating system.

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This was a different system.

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We would have to write it completely
from scratch

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because Unix was proprietory.

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We were forbidden to share Unix,

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We couldn't use Unix.
It was useless for a community.

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So we had to write a replacement for it.

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Throughout the 1980s,

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as Richard Stallman was building the GNU project,

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computer scientists from
the University of California at Berkeley

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were developing their own free
operating system.

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Known as Berkeley Unix, or BSD,

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it was based upon the Unix kernel
which had been licensed from AT&T.

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However, due to legal problems with AT&T
and fragmentation of the source code,

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hackers and other non-institutional users
were slow to adopt it

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Well, Unix consisted of a large number of
separate programs

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that communicated with each other.

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So we just had to replace these programs
one by one.

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So what I started doing was
writing a replacement for one program,

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and then another, and then another,

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and then people started joining me,

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because I published an announcement
inviting other people to join me

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to help write these programs.

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And uh... and by around 1991,
we had replaced practically all of them.

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[ What were some of the programs that you ... ]

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Well... we had to... to have a complete system,

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you need to have a kernel, which is the program that

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allocates resources to all the other programs,

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you need a compiler, which translates a program

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from readable source code
that programmers can understand into numbers,

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mysterious numbers
that the computer can actually run.

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you need other programs
that go with the compiler to help do this job.

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you need a debugger.

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you need a text editor.

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you need text formatters.

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you need mailers...

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you need lots and lots of things.

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There are hundreds of programs
in a Unix-like operating system.

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I saw Stallman's announcement.

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Actually I met him in February of 1987.

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He came to give a five-day tutorial
on Emacs at our company.

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And during the day he would explain

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new ways to think about Emacs

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and ways to extend it, enhance it,
and to use the Emacs source code

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uh, for better or worse.

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But in the evening,
he was busily working on this compiler,

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and he had not yet released it to the public,

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so he was uh, being a little bit uh,
careful about

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who, who got to see the source code.

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But I was very eager,
and when he first announced it in June,

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I downloaded it immediately.

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I, I played with it.

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I got some, some pointers from him.

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And when I sent the source code back to him,

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he was very,

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uh, actually amazed that how quickly
I was able to ramp up on his technology.

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Whenever we worked on something
at Stanford or in the university,

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Whenever we worked on something
at Stanford or in the university,

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we would get, mostly at the time

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we were working off machines
from Digital Equipment or Sun, mostly Sun.

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Whenever we would get a Sun machine,

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the first thing we would do is
we would spend literally days

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downloading GNU free software from the Internet,

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building it and installing it on that Sun machine.

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The crucial thing about GNU is that
it's free software.

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And Free Software refers not to price,
but to freedom.

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So think of free speech, not free beer.

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The freedoms that I am talking about

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are the freedoms to make changes if you want to,

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or hire somebody else to make changes for you

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if you're using a software for your business,

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to redistribute copies,
to share with other people,

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and to make improvements and publish them

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so that other people can
get the benefit of them, too.

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And those are the freedoms that distinguish
free software from non-free software.

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These are the freedoms that
enable people to form a community.

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If you don't have all these freedoms,

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you're being divided and
dominated by somebody.

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My first experience contributing to free software

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came in late 1989, early 1990.

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I was working as a graduate student
at Stanford University

0:19:10

on Computer Aided Design tools.

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One of the pieces I needed was a tool

0:19:16

called a parser generator.

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Well, the Free Software Foundation

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under Richard Stallman
created a great tool called "bison".

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I needed a tool that worked with C++.
Bison worked with C.

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I modified bison to create something
called "bison++".

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And it's a tremendous feeling of empowerment

0:19:37

be able to take a piece of software that was available

0:19:41

and create what you needed
in a very short piece of time by modifying it.

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I put it back on the Internet

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and I was amazed at the number of people

0:19:52

that picked it up and started using it.

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In fact, I remember going to, uh job interviews,

0:19:59

I, at various times, considered
just going out getting a job.

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And I'd gone to a job interview.

0:20:05

And I was talking to one of the people,

0:20:07

and I started asking them about what tools they used,

0:20:10

and they said, "Gee, we used bison++!"

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and I said, "Oh, I am the author of bison++!"

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Free Software generally does have a copyright.

0:20:22

It does have an owner.

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And it has a license.

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It is not public domain.

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If we put the software in the public domain,

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somebody else would be able to make
a little bit of changes

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and turn that into a proprietory software package,

0:20:40

which means that
the users would be running our software,

0:20:43

but they wouldn't have freedom to cooperate and share.

0:20:47

To prevent that, we use a technique called "Copyleft".

0:20:52

The idea of Copyleft is that
it's "Copyright" flipped over.

0:20:57

And what we do is, we say,

0:20:59

this software is copyrighted

0:21:01

and we, the authors give you permission
to redistribute copies,

0:21:07

we give you permission to change,

0:21:09

we give you permission to add to it.

0:21:11

But when you redistribute it,

0:21:13

it has to be under these terms,
no more and no less.

0:21:17

So that whoever gets it from you

0:21:20

also gets the freedom to cooperate
with other people, if he wants to.

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And then, in this way everywhere the software goes,

0:21:31

the freedom goes, too.

0:21:33

And it becomes an inalienable right

0:21:37

to cooperate with other people and form a community.

0:21:40

[ And so, what is that? the license?
what was that... ]

0:21:45

Well, Copyleft being a general idea,

0:21:47

in order to use it, you have to have specific example.

0:21:51

The specific example we use for
most GNU software packages

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is the GNU General Public License,

0:21:59

a particular document in legalese
which accomplishes this job.

0:22:04

A lot of other people use that same license,
for example,

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Linus Torvalds uses that license for Linux as well.

0:22:13

Well, the license I use is the
GNU General Public License.

0:22:17

That's the one Richard Stallman wrote.

0:22:19

And I think it is really astounding contribution.

0:22:24

Uh, it's one of the few software licenses
that was written

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from the standpoint of the community rather than

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from the standpoint of um, protecting a company

0:22:38

or um, as is the case with MIT and BSD license

0:22:45

performing the goals of
a government grant program.

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Uh, and the GPL is really unique in that.

0:22:53

It's not just a license.
It's a whole philosophy that,

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I think, motivated the open source definition.

0:23:01

I don't hide that a lot of what I do came from Stallman.

0:23:12

A crucial step in the growth of GNU/Linux
and the Free Software movement

0:23:17

was the creation of businesses
based upon the software and philosophy.

0:23:21

Grown zero for the beginning of
the business phase

0:23:24

was the Electronics Research Lab
at Stanford University.

0:23:28

Known as ERL, the lab was the place for the first GNU

0:23:32

and Linux business founder inspiration.

0:23:35

So right here was where ERL was.

0:23:38

That would have been the entrance
over there next to the uh,

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electrical engineering McCullough building.

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As you walk in, you come in,
you walk down the hallway, down here.

0:23:51

My office would have been about, about here.

0:23:55

and then right across the hall,
from that was Michael Tiemann's office.

0:23:59

Michael Tiemann took uh.. and
started a company, Cygnus Software

0:24:04

with the idea was to sell consulting
and services around the GNU Free Software

0:24:10

and, well Michael's done very well with Cygnus.

0:24:13

Well uh, I spend a lot of
time working out uh,

0:24:18

how we were going to make money

0:24:20

and in the original GNU manifesto

0:24:23

which is the last chapter
of the GNU Emacs manual.

0:24:26

Stallman proposed a number of different

0:24:29

possible ways to make money.

0:24:31

From the beginning of the
Free Software movement

0:24:33

I had the idea that there's

0:24:35

room in it for business to be done.

0:24:37

One of the advantages of Free Software is that, there's

0:24:40

a free market for any kind of service or support.

0:24:44

So if you are using software in your business,

0:24:47

and you want good support,

0:24:49

you have a choice of people to go to for it,

0:24:53

you have a choice of businesses... that

0:24:55

are in the business of
providing you with support.

0:24:58

So they are going to have to in general give you

0:25:01

good support or you go to somebody else.

0:25:04

With proprietory software,

0:25:07

support is a monopoly, there is one company,

0:25:10

typically, that has the source code

0:25:14

and only they can give you support

0:25:17

so typically, you are at the mercy of a monopoly.

0:25:20

That's the case, for example with Microsoft.

0:25:23

So no wonder the support is so bad.

0:25:27

The benefits of Free Software were

0:25:29

tremendous but the cost of supporting it internally

0:25:33

uh, and made managers very very nervous and

0:25:35

so the fundamental idea I had was
if we can build a model

0:25:40

that could deliver two to four times the support

0:25:45

and uh, and uh, and hand holding capability

0:25:49

that an internal engineer could provide.

0:25:51

And we could do it at 1/2 to 1/4 of the cost

0:25:55

that would meet the test of whether or not

0:25:58

people would actually buy.

0:25:60

And by about the Fall of that year, we had

0:26:03

all the things worked out about who

0:26:05

needed on the technical team, what

0:26:07

the terms the sale would be, what

0:26:09

the key price point were, and we

0:26:11

actually received our incorporation in Nov of 1989.

0:26:17

One of the most difficult things in starting our company

0:26:20

was actually finding a name for it.

0:26:22

I explained this to one of my friends

0:26:25

"we're having difficulty"

0:26:26

and he returned an e-mail message

0:26:29

that basically just had a bunch of words
with the name "GNU" in it.

0:26:34

And "Cygnus" was the one that
looked least obnoxious and least obscene.

0:26:41

I can say very clearly that Cygnus

0:26:44

was the first business that specialized in Free Software.

0:26:49

Cygnus supported Free Software,

0:26:53

filled a very essential niche because
we had this great software,

0:26:57

you could get it for nothing but
you couldn't get support - they made their money

0:27:02

by charging for support.

0:27:05

The GNU project started by building a toolkit,

0:27:09

uh, basic development tools such as
a C compiler, a debugger, a text-editor,

0:27:15

and uh, other necessary apparatus.

0:27:19

And their intention was eventually to
develop a kernel to sit underneath those

0:27:25

and be the center of the operating system.

0:27:28

By about 1990 they had successfully
developed that toolkit,

0:27:32

and it was in wide use on great many variants of Unix.

0:27:37

But there was still no free kernel.

0:27:40

The kernel happened to be
one of the last things we started to do

0:27:46

and we had started it not long before.

0:27:49

And that's when Linus Torvalds came along.

0:27:53

"Lin-us" or "Line-us"? What's the exact,
do you prefer the pronunciation?

0:27:57

um.. When I speak Swedish it's "Lee-nus";

0:28:00

when I speak Finnish it's "Leen-ous";

0:28:03

when I speak English it's "Line-us".

0:28:05

And I really don't care how people pronounce my name.

0:28:09

But "Linux" is always "Linux".

0:28:12

He developed a kernel, and got it working
faster than we got ours working,

0:28:18

and got it to work very nicely and solidly.

0:28:21

His kernel is called "Linux".

0:28:24

The initial goal was my very personal goal

0:28:28

to be able to run a similar environment on my computer

0:28:32

that I had grown used to at, at the university computers.

0:28:38

And I could not find anything that suited me for that.

0:28:45

So having been doing computers for all my life basically.

0:28:49

At that point I decided that I'll do my own.

0:28:53

Most of the inspiration early on came from, from SunOS

0:28:59

which was what um,
I was using at the university at the time.

0:29:04

[ Which University? ]

0:29:05

University of Helsinki in Finland.

0:29:09

From 1991 to about 1993 was really

0:29:14

I guess the infancy period of Linux.

0:29:17

That was when it was still only alpha or beta quality;

0:29:22

it was relatively unstable.

0:29:24

Although, even then it was a good deal more stable

0:29:28

than a lot of what are now called
"production" operating systems.

0:29:33

Linus used the traditional
tried-and-true method of writing one program

0:29:38

that does the job,

0:29:41

and he got it to work.

0:29:44

quickly in fact faster than
I would have thought was possible.

0:29:48

The term for it is "monolithic",

0:29:52

which means that basically
the OS itself is one entity, indivisible.

0:30:03

uh, while in the microkernel,

0:30:06

the, the operating system kernel is actually

0:30:11

uh, just a collection of servers that

0:30:15

do different things and then they have a common protocol

0:30:18

for doing communication between themselves.

0:30:21

[ So why is that... the GNU project that's had
so much lead-time, that's been doing this,

0:30:28

Why...Why is it that he was able to kinda
come in at the tail end so to speak ]

0:30:32

Well we actually started the
GNU Hurd not long before he started Linux.

0:30:40

And it happened though we chose a design
that's a very advanced design

0:30:45

in terms of the power gives you

0:30:48

but also turns out to be very hard to debug.

0:30:52

We decided to divide up the kernel
which traditionally had been one program,

0:30:58

to divide it up into a lot of smaller programs

0:31:01

that would send messages to
each other asynchronously to, to communicate.

0:31:08

The problem is that, that style of programming

0:31:13

has a great deal of potential for bugs,

0:31:16

which are often very hard to
figure out because they depend on...

0:31:19

does this program send this message
before or after this one sends that message...

0:31:28

And the result was:
it took us years to get the thing to work.

0:31:36

[ What is Linux's relationship to the GNU project? ]

0:31:41

Well there's relationships to GNU
on kind of multiple levels.

0:31:49

One is just the philosophical level of thinking that

0:31:55

"making your source open is a good idea".

0:31:58

When Linus developed the kernel
he wasn't doing it for the GNU project.

0:32:03

He did it independently.

0:32:05

And he released it independently
and we didn't know about it.

0:32:09

But some of the people who did know about it

0:32:12

decided to look for what else they could find

0:32:15

to put together with that kernel to
make a whole system.

0:32:19

They looked around, and lo and behold
everything they needed was already available.

0:32:24

They looked around, and lo and behold
everything they needed was already available.

0:32:25

"What good fortune!" they thought.

0:32:28

But actually there was no chance about it.

0:32:30

They had found all the pieces of the
GNU system which was missing just the kernel,

0:32:36

so when they put all that together

0:32:38

really they were fitting
Linux into the gap in the GNU system.

0:32:44

But they didn't know that.

0:32:46

There's a lot of these programs

0:32:51

um, done by the Free Softwares Foundation,

0:32:55

and done by other people like Linux.

0:32:58

And there's a symbiosis between
Linux and the programs

0:33:03

that the programs run on Linux and at the same time

0:33:07

and they take the advantage of Linux as a platform,

0:33:10

while Linux takes the advantage of the programs

0:33:14

by just being able to use them.

0:33:17

[ What...What programs? ]

0:33:19

umm...

0:33:21

The main one is actually the GNU C Compiler.

0:33:25

Which... Without a C compiler
it would not have been possible

0:33:30

to make Linux or most of the open progress available.

0:33:38

Linux uses the GPL,

0:33:41

and I agree with a kind of philosophy behind the GPL.

0:33:48

That said the GPL itself is not a very pretty document

0:33:53

which is probably just because
no lawyerese can ever be very pretty.

0:34:06

I'd been playing around with Linux for actually

0:34:11

late '92 or early '93 for about a year.

0:34:15

before I decided that it was to the point
where actually had everything that I needed

0:34:21

to really replace a Sun Workstation.

0:34:23

And I was looking for a way to
have a Unix workstation at home

0:34:28

at the time we used Sun Sparc Stations
in the office at Stanford.

0:34:35

Those machines cost us about 7,000 dollars.

0:34:38

Now I desperately wanted a Unix machine at home!

0:34:41

There's always a this thought
you get as a graduate student

0:34:44

"Gee... if I could work at home!

0:34:46

Then I would be so much more productive,

0:34:48

I would graduate sooner because
I would finish my thesis sooner"

0:34:53

Well, Well, is it true? Well, you can judge.

0:34:57

You know most people end up spending a lot of their time

0:35:01

becoming more productive so that

0:35:03

they ever actually worked on their thesis
they'd finish it in a day.

0:35:07

It takes a while sometimes.

0:35:09

So I decided that I wanted a Unix machine at home.

0:35:12

And I went out there I was able to
use Linux together with the PC.

0:35:17

For about 2,000 dollars, I put together a system.

0:35:21

That was one and a half to two times faster

0:35:25

than that 7,000 dollars Sun Sparc Station.

0:35:28

It was absolutely amazing.

0:35:30

I had one and a half to two times the speed,

0:35:34

at a third to fourth the price.

0:35:37

Light bulbs went off.

0:35:38

I knew there was an opportunity here.

0:35:41

This was the chance to really do something
better than what Sun has done

0:35:46

around Open Source and Linux.

0:35:50

I called it Linux originally as working name.

0:35:53

And that was just because "Linus"

0:35:58

and the "X" has to be there.

0:35:59

It's Unix. It's like a law.

0:36:03

And...what happened was that...

0:36:06

I initially thought that I can't call it Linux publicly,

0:36:11

because it is just too egotistical.

0:36:14

And that was before I had a big ego. Right?

0:36:16

They thought they were taking a whole bunch
of components putting them around Linux

0:36:22

So they ended up calling the whole thing
"A Linux System"

0:36:27

and somehow that term caught on.

0:36:29

And the result is

0:36:31

there are now ten million people using

0:36:36

this variant of the GNU system...

0:36:38

the GNU/Linux operating system.

0:36:41

And most of them don't know it.

0:36:43

[ Some people advocate it be described as GNU/Linux.

0:36:48

I mean what's your thought on
that? I would say, justify or... ]

0:36:52

Well, I think it's justified but it is justified
if you actually make GNU distribution of Linux.

0:36:59

The same way that I think that Red Hat Linux
is fine or SuSE Linux, or Debian Linux.

0:37:09

Uh, because if you actually make your
own distribution of Linux

0:37:12

You get to name the thing.

0:37:14

But calling Linux in general "GNU Linux"
I think, is just ridiculous.

0:37:22

I got involved in Fall '93.

0:37:24

Because I was sent a copy of the first CD-ROM
commercial Linux distribution,

0:37:31

which was called Yggdrasi produced by Adam Richter.

0:37:36

And I got a copy because...

0:37:38

I had been myself writing Free Software for
a long time since the early 80's.

0:37:43

I was actually one of the
early GNU contributors myself.

0:37:47

And I was absolutely astonished,

0:37:49

I was completely astonished.

0:37:51

Because I've been a software engineer
for nearly 15 years at that point.

0:37:57

And according to all the rules I knew...

0:37:59

about controlling complexity,
keeping a project group small,

0:38:04

having closely managed objectives.

0:38:07

Linux should have been a disaster, and it wasn't.

0:38:10

Instead, it was something wonderful,

0:38:12

and I was determined to figure out
how they were getting a way with that.

0:38:19

In order for Linux to grow beyond
the world of the computer programmer

0:38:23

It needed a use, an application
that made it a must-have technology

0:38:28

That threshold was crossed

0:38:30

with the development of a program
that made complex websites possible

0:38:35

That program is the Apache web server.

0:38:39

The killer app of Linux was undoubtedly
the Apache web server.

0:38:44

If you look at the history of Linux,

0:38:46

the adoption curve of Linux and
the adoption curve of the Internet

0:38:51

exactly track each other.

0:38:53

1993, which was when the Apache
web server project really got started,

0:38:59

was also the beginnings of the popular ISP explosion

0:39:03

when the Internet first became a mass market commodity

0:39:08

and the idea of web-based electronic commerce

0:39:11

and, and mass communication became real.

0:39:14

I think it was one of the first applications
that caused people to go

0:39:18

"Well, if I install Linux."

0:39:20

I get some tangible benefit from doing so, right?

0:39:25

I mean, clearly there were a lot of
interesting applications on Linux

0:39:29

at, at the time, this being maybe
two or three years ago,

0:39:31

when the root thing really started to take off

0:39:33

but there wasn't a driving, you know,

0:39:36

you could almost say business case

0:39:38

for someone to use Linux versus using NT

0:39:41

until, I think, Apache and
a lot of the things that plugged into Apache

0:39:45

enhanced Apache

0:39:47

I mean, when you want to go out and build..
go out to build a server farm

0:39:51

It was much more cost effective

0:39:54

cost effective

0:39:54

real dollar returns to build it on Linux and Apache
than was to build it on IIS and NT

0:40:00

even if it meant that you have to
spend a little bit of money

0:40:03

to train your staff to learn how to use that or

0:40:05

to find people who were knowledgeable.

0:40:07

But the good news was that

0:40:08

that knowledge wasn't very expensive

0:40:10

because there were all those college students out there

0:40:12

who'd been using Linux for a long time
and were very familiar with it.

0:40:16

If you look at the trend curves in web servers

0:40:20

Apache has steadily been gaining
a market share ever since

0:40:25

it's up to something like 66% now

0:40:28

It's steadily clobbered
all of the closed source competition

0:40:32

And that's because it's more reliable
it's more flexible, it's more extensible

0:40:37

It does what webmasters actually need

0:40:41

and the combination of Apache and Linux

0:40:44

found its way into a great many commercial shops.

0:40:48

Essentially, Apache became the application
that motivated Internet service providers

0:40:54

and e-commerce companies to choose Linux
over Microsoft's Windows.

0:40:60

It would probably runs best on Linux and on FreeBSD

0:41:04

and the reason is the
communities around those operating systems

0:41:08

are also the communities that
contribute the most back to Apache, right?

0:41:13

And there were also the operating systems
that Internet service providers

0:41:18

started using very heavily as well

0:41:21

and Internet service providers really liked Apache

0:41:24

because it allowed them to do

0:41:26

a lot of different things
that some of the commercial web servers didn't

0:41:30

such as the ability to host more than
one web site on a single box, which clearly

0:41:35

if you are an ISP and you would have 40,000 users

0:41:38

and they all want their web site,

0:41:39

is gonna be pretty important to you.

0:41:43

one of the key factors in the growth of Linux was

0:41:46

the creation of companies that
specialized in the distribution

0:41:49

and support of the Operating System itself

0:41:52

Among these companies,
Red Hat Software is the best known.

0:41:56

Red Hat started as a product of Marc Ewing

0:41:60

while he was working at IBM.

0:42:02

He wanted a little better Linux distribution

0:42:04

he started playing around,

0:42:06

found out he uh, he spent more time
maintaining his Linux distribution

0:42:11

than he did uh,
than he did working on his new project.

0:42:15

So he uh, sort of started the distribution himself

0:42:19

He met up with Bob Young,

0:42:21

who at the time was running company called
ACC Bookstore

0:42:24

which was a mail-order PC Unix uh, catalog

0:42:29

And Bob kind of knew he wanted something,

0:42:31

you know, more his own to market,

0:42:33

rather than reselling other people's products

0:42:36

And he was fairly good at marketing, and...

0:42:40

Mark knew he needed some marketing help

0:42:42

because he was very good at the technical parts,
so they kinda got together

0:42:45

I started working with Red Hat in May of 1995,
basically right out of NC State.

0:42:50

along with Eric Troan who, me and him
combined make up employees #4 and #5.

0:42:57

We actually reported to work in an apartment
that Mark Ewing used to live in

0:43:04

We took it over as kind of
the development part of Red Hat software

0:43:08

and stayed that way till about November of 1995 when...

0:43:13

a toilet we had in the apartment kind of exploded,

0:43:16

flooded our downstairs neighbor

0:43:18

and she got little upset and...

0:43:22

the apartment folks found out
we were running a business there

0:43:25

instead of actually living there the same time

0:43:27

So they decided to throw us out.

0:43:29

So at that point, we had about a week to go find

0:43:31

our first office, which we did

0:43:34

and get ourselves moved in a hurry

0:43:49

We started going in again '95 or so
to the venture capital firms,

0:43:55

asking, saying, there's something happening here.

0:43:59

There's a great business opportunity,

0:44:01

to build the next Sun for open source.

0:44:06

Well, the venture capitalists looked at this and said

0:44:10

"Gee, you are selling systems

0:44:13

the software is free. This is kind of scary.

0:44:15

We're not sure that we want to put money in. And...

0:44:18

by the way, we funded other systems companies

0:44:23

and it hasn't really panned out. We are scared."

0:44:29

I came to the US about 3 years ago,

0:44:32

and the reason really was that I'd been spending

0:44:37

like 6 or 7 years at Helsinki University.

0:44:40

and decide it was time to see the real world
and not just university life.

0:44:45

Especially this area had a lot of the most
interesting work being done.

0:44:53

So I just decided that...

0:44:55

let's try to move half way across the world,

0:45:01

and give this a try.

0:45:02

And it's turned out pretty well.

0:45:05

[ Ah...you see this as temporary or long term? ]

0:45:09

Well, we saw it as temporary at first.

0:45:12

And I think it's certainly looking like
it's turning into long term.

0:45:17

Our youngest daughter is
both US and Finnish citizen,

0:45:21

because she was born here

0:45:24

and the older one is speaking
both Swedish and English, so...

0:45:57

The next major event was one that
I had directed hand in.

0:46:02

I wrote a paper, called
"The Cathedral & the Bazaar".

0:46:06

which was my observations,
my anthropological analysis

0:46:10

of what it was that made
the open source world work.

0:46:13

We didn't call it that then. We were still
using the term "Free Software" primarily.

0:46:19

So it was my observation of
what made the Free Software world work

0:46:23

and why we were able to
produce extremely high quality software

0:46:28

in spite of constantly violating all of
the standard rules of software engineering

0:46:34

In that paper, I was setting up a contrast

0:46:37

between two different styles of development,

0:46:40

two opposed styles of development.

0:46:42

One, which is the
conventional closed development style,

0:46:49

which I called the "Cathedral" style.

0:46:52

In that one, you have
tight specification of objectives.

0:46:56

Small project groups which are run
in a fairly hierarchical authoritarian manner.

0:47:04

And you have long release intervals

0:47:07

On the other hand,what I identified
is happening in the Linux world

0:47:11

was a much more peer to peer decentralized,
market or bazaar-like style,

0:47:18

which has a very short release intervals

0:47:20

and constant solicitation of feedback from people
who are formally outside of the project.

0:47:26

A very intense peer review process.

0:47:31

And the startling thing was that the more I looked at this,

0:47:34

the more it seemed that trading away
all the supposed advantages

0:47:40

of conventional closed development,

0:47:43

for that one single advantage
of massive independent peer review

0:47:48

actually seemed to win,
actually seemed to get you good results.

0:47:57

The reason Netscape is important is

0:47:59

that they were the first large company
to participate in open source.

0:48:05

We had Cygnus providing support,

0:48:07

but we didn't really have much business.

0:48:10

And Netscape went open source essentially
as a way to fight Microsoft,

0:48:15

which was giving away Internet Explorer,

0:48:19

but not letting anyone else have the source code,
not letting companies collaborate.

0:48:25

Working as part of the sales force, I got a bit of,

0:48:27

I got a good idea of.. of why people bought our software

0:48:30

and what it took to make our software successful
in the marketplace against competitive products.

0:48:36

However, the problem was,

0:48:38

we were seeing, as that, as time went on,

0:48:42

our software was uh,

0:48:46

being competed against by other
people's software, particularly Microsoft's

0:48:51

and as time went on, the price of our software had to drop

0:48:56

because other people were giving their software away

0:48:58

at no charge or at little charge.

0:49:02

Now the real problem was that they feared

0:49:04

Microsoft would achieve a monopoly lock on the browser market

0:49:08

and they would then use that monopoly lock to

0:49:13

pervert actually,

0:49:15

the HTTP and HTML standards that the web depends on.

0:49:20

And once they had turned those
standards in to lock in devices,

0:49:25

they could then use that control
to drive Netscape out of the server market,

0:49:30

which was where it was making its real money.

0:49:33

My concern was that as time went on,

0:49:38

Netscape's business would be threatened,

0:49:41

by the fact that we didn't have enough people
to do what we needed to do as a company

0:49:45

in order to keep our software viable in the marketplace.

0:49:50

The Netscape release happened in early 1998.

0:49:55

And uh, I was told later, I had no idea at the time,

0:50:01

that it came about as a direct result of

0:50:04

the right people having read
"The Cathedral and the Bazaar".

0:50:08

"The Cathedral and the Bazaar",
the paper by Eric Raymond,

0:50:12

was a significant influence on
Netscape's decision to release source code.

0:50:20

It came as a complete shock to me.

0:50:22

I wasn't really ready for the thought

0:50:25

that I was changing the world even by accident.

0:50:28

However he was not by any means
the only influence on that decision.

0:50:34

Uh, and not necessarily the most important one,

0:50:36

when all is said and done.

0:50:38

As I said, Netscape,

0:50:41

Netscape had already been talking about
releasing source code for quite some time before

0:50:47

anyone ever heard of Eric's paper.

0:50:49

Linux Congress in early 1997,

0:50:52

which was the first place that I gave that paper.

0:50:56

And one of the people who heard it was
Tim O'Reilly of O'Reilly and Associates.

0:51:01

And uh, he thought it was pretty intriguing

0:51:04

and he asked me to give it at
his first PERL conference, which was uh..

0:51:09

later that year, in Fall of 97.

0:51:13

And apparently what happened, I was told later,

0:51:16

although I had no idea that this was happening at the time,

0:51:19

uh is that some people from Netscape actually
heard the paper at the PERL conference

0:51:26

and took those ideas back to Netscape and
they kind of lit a fire there.

0:51:31

The role of my paper was essentially
to make the internal case at Netscape, uh

0:51:36

to make the business case for
why Netscape should release its source code.

0:51:41

The paper was called
"Netscape Source Code As Netscape Product".

0:51:46

uh.. a strange title,
essentially what the title meant was that

0:51:52

In my opinion we needed to

0:51:53

think of source code not just as something
that was used in creating our products,

0:51:58

but as something that was a product in its own right.

0:52:01

Something that customers might use, other people might use.

0:52:05

I then looked at what the business models might be

0:52:08

if we released source code for our products.

0:52:12

How would we license them?

0:52:14

How do we sell products in this environment?

0:52:20

Then I looked at the competition, particularly Microsoft.

0:52:24

What would they be likely to do
if we released source code?

0:52:27

Was there some way they could
use our source code against us?

0:52:30

I used Eric's paper as an example of
how distributed development could work,

0:52:36

how a company could develop software not
just using their own people,

0:52:41

but also working with people on the Internet.

0:52:45

And that's why I included a reference to
Eric's paper in my paper.

0:52:50

Once my paper was circulated,

0:52:52

the people who read my paper would naturally enough

0:52:55

find a reference to Eric's paper
and read that as well.

0:52:58

[ And who was involved in
making that happen at Netscape? ]

0:53:02

Primarily the person who made the
actual decision was Jim Barksdale.

0:53:07

And this turned out to be important later.

0:53:10

That our big win, the big score

0:53:13

that gave us mainstream
visibility and credibility with investors

0:53:18

came not because of bottom up evangelism
from a bunch of engineers,

0:53:23

but because one strategist at the top

0:53:26

saw the potential power of this method and

0:53:29

then essentially imposed that vision
on everyone underneath him.

0:53:34

When I completed the paper,
I first gave a copy to Mark Andreessen,

0:53:38

who was co-founder of Netscape and
was at the time one of,

0:53:42

on the senior management team at Netscape.

0:53:45

Mark then gave a copy of the paper to several
other people within Netscape management,

0:53:50

including Jim Barksdale.

0:53:52

I'm not sure exactly when Jim and
the other senior managers

0:53:56

made the actual decision,

0:53:59

I believe it was in early January sometime.

0:54:02

Netscape actually announced that it was gonna
release the source code on Jan 22nd,

0:54:08

the same time it was going to give
Communicator away for free.

0:54:13

When Netscape decided to release the source code,

0:54:16

people sort of got a wake up notice and said

0:54:19

"Hey, maybe there is something to this idea
of releasing source code

0:54:23

and doing development with people
outside your company."

0:54:28

So Netscape's decision brought a lot of
public attention to the idea of Free Software,

0:54:34

what became known as Open Source,

0:54:37

and brought a lot of attention to
the Linux operating system,

0:54:40

which was one of the most prominent examples of
Open Source software at that time.

0:54:51

This is our first office, Mountain View, California.

0:54:55

We moved here in early 1995.

0:54:58

This is 4,000 square feet.

0:55:00

It was an incredible leap of faith for us to
move out and take the company to our own office.

0:55:08

Now what's really important about this place

0:55:12

is that this is the office
where the term "Open Source" was invented.

0:55:16

If you walk in to an executive's office
and say "Free Software",

0:55:22

OK, If you're lucky, the response
you'll get is something like,

0:55:27

"hmm, hmm, Free Software, must be
cheap, shoddy, worthless."

0:55:35

Uh, and if you're not lucky,
it has associations with, uh.

0:55:41

with the Free Software Foundation's
wholesale attack on intellectual property rights,

0:55:46

which regardless of what
you think about the ethics of that,

0:55:49

it's lousy marketing, it's not something
that businesses want to hear.

0:55:55

So Eric Raymond knew there was a problem.

0:55:58

We'd been calling this Free Software,

0:56:00

but people took the term "Free"
and associated with "Free of charge",

0:56:06

they thought they couldn't make money or couldn't sell,

0:56:09

which is exactly the wrong concept.

0:56:11

We wanted to get across the idea the software
was open and that the source code was available.

0:56:18

Very important pieces.

0:56:21

We had this meeting at the VA offices
in Mountain View, where Eric,

0:56:25

myself, and Christine Peterson from Foresight Institute
joined us as well as some other people.

0:56:33

Christine Peterson was there by phone. uh..

0:56:39

Jon "Mad dog" Hall was also there by phone. uh..

0:56:44

And then Todd Anderson, who later worked for
SuSE for a while was there.

0:56:49

Sam Ockman who now runs Penguin Computing was there.

0:56:52

He was uh.. He was an employee of VA at the time

0:56:56

Well, we came up with the concept of Open Source,

0:56:60

we called Linus in fact and asked Linus if he liked it.

0:57:04

He was interested, He liked it.

0:57:07

Eventually we came up with something that replaced "Free Software".

0:57:10

That was the beginning of Open Source.

0:57:12

[ How did you chose words "Open Source"? ]

0:57:16

You know, I think Christine Peterson was
the person who really came up with the idea.

0:57:21

Uh, we wanted, again, the idea
that the source code was out there and it was open.

0:57:29

There weren't many choices.

0:57:34

Well, since the fist three recipients have
spoken for the Open Source movement,

0:57:39

I think I should speak about
the Free Software movement.

0:57:44

The Open Source movement,
focuses on practical advantages

0:57:48

that you can get by having a community of users

0:57:51

who can cooperate on interchanging and improving software.

0:57:56

I agree completely with the points they make about that.

0:58:01

The reason why my views are different,
while I am in the Free Software movement

0:58:06

rather than the Open Source movement,

0:58:09

is that I believe there's something
more important at stake.

0:58:12

That freedom to cooperate with other people,
freedom to have a community...

0:58:18

is important for our quality of life.

0:58:21

It's important for having a good society
that we can live in.

0:58:26

And that that is in my view, even more important
than having powerful and reliable software.

0:58:33

But I think some of the people in
the Free Software camp...

0:58:39

are a little scared by the commercialization.

0:58:46

And uh, you know,
of course a rebel is put off by success.

0:58:51

uh.. I think that commercialization is very important.

0:58:55

We want to mainstream this software,

0:58:58

and I work with Richard Stallman
who's the gray haired man of Free Software,

0:59:07

uh, on a regular basis, and I don't feel

0:59:10

I have any philosophical differences.

0:59:14

me as author the Open Source definition and

0:59:18

he is originator of free software as an organized thing,

0:59:26

except for one thing.
Richard thinks that all software should be free,

0:59:30

and I think that free software and
non-free software should coexist.

0:59:35

That's the only difference we have.

0:59:38

Uh, we decided early on that what we needed,

0:59:42

a..a definition, we needed a kind of
meta-license to define the term "Open Source".

0:59:47

a, a definition, we needed a kind of
meta-license to define the term "Open Source".

0:59:48

And what we came up with is a document called
"The Open Source Definition".

0:59:52

It's derived from the Debian Free Software guidelines
that were originally written by Bruce Parens.

0:59:59

I'd written the original draft of that, uh,

1:00:03

discussed it for a month with the Debian developers

1:00:07

Debian is a Linux distribution

1:00:11

And made it their project policy

1:00:14

And Eric and I decided to relabel

1:00:19

what we'd written for Debian

1:00:21

as The Open Source definition

1:00:23

and to say Open Source is a software

1:00:26

that gives you a list of nine rights

1:00:29

which is in the Open Source definition.

1:00:33

The first right is Free Redistribution

1:00:36

This doesn't mean Free as in no price

1:00:39

It means liberty

1:00:43

Um, you have to be free to redistribute

1:00:46

your software to someone else

1:00:48

And actually no price is a side effect

1:00:51

You can charge for that redistribution or not

1:00:55

It has to come with source code

1:00:58

So that someone can maintain a program.

1:01:02

If they go from a PC to a Mac for example

1:01:05

they can change the software.

1:01:09

Derived Works have to be possible

1:01:12

If someone has to improve your program

1:01:15

um, they should be able to distribute the result

1:01:22

uh, There is a provision about integrity

1:01:26

of the author's source code

1:01:28

which says that the author can sort of
maintain their honor

1:01:33

and if you make a change

1:01:36

you might have to change the name of the program

1:01:39

or mark out your change very clearly

1:01:42

so that your change doesn't reflect on the author

1:01:46

There is no discrimination against people or groups.

1:01:51

Uh, the example I usually use is

1:01:54

You can't stop an abortion clinic

1:01:57

or an anti-abortion activist from using the software

1:02:01

There is no discrimination against fields of endeavor

1:02:05

And that means the software has to be usable

1:02:09

in a business as well as in a school

1:02:13

The license has to be distributable

1:02:17

In other words

1:02:19

I have to be able to give that license to someone

1:02:23

and that license then should work

1:02:27

if that someone gives it to yet a third person

1:02:30

The license can't be specific to a product

1:02:34

in other words

1:02:36

if I distribute my software on a Red Hat system

1:02:42

the license can't say

1:02:44

you can't distribute this on a SuSE or Debian system

1:02:48

The license can't contaminate other software

1:02:53

So if I distribute this on a CD with another program

1:03:00

It can't say that other program must be free

1:03:04

otherwise you can't distribute my software

1:03:08

And then the only other part of

1:03:11

the Open Source definition

1:03:12

is a list of licenses that were accepted

1:03:16

And the ones that we started with were the GPL

1:03:20

which was actually the example for a lot of

1:03:24

what's in the Open Source definition in the BSD license

1:03:28

because software for BSD system pre-existed Linux

1:03:40

I think the next moment that I thought
was really pivotal

1:03:45

was when the database vendors flipped over

1:03:47

which happened about three months sooner

1:03:50

than I expected to

1:03:51

and actually happened in late July early August

1:03:54

commitments to do one ports from Oracle and

1:03:59

and Sybase and the other key database vendors.

1:04:02

[ And why was that critical? ]

1:04:04

because we knew that in order for

1:04:06

the open source story to be credible

1:04:09

and especially in order for the Linux story
to be credible,

1:04:12

we'd have to get commitments from
independent software vendors

1:04:16

to do ports of their applications to these platforms

1:04:20

and I was actually kind of worried

1:04:23

I thought that we were in a window of vulnerability

1:04:26

between the time that we announced
the open source campaign

1:04:30

and the database vendors flipped over

1:04:32

that was the point at which hostile action

1:04:35

by Microsoft or other close-source software companies

1:04:40

that was the point in which

1:04:41

a serious marketing blitz might have sunk us

1:04:44

but once the big database vendors flipped over

1:04:49

that opened the way for other ISVs

1:04:52

that started the snow ball effect going

1:04:55

Every six months or so

1:04:57

I would come back to the venture capitalists

1:04:59

I would show them the new numbers

1:05:01

showing more and more people adopting Linux

1:05:04

and new people porting, new users

1:05:06

and I'd show them our customer list

1:05:08

And our customer list was getting much more impressive

1:05:12

It was people like Cisco that were beginning to appear

1:05:15

people like, you know, those dot-com companies

1:05:18

were started to show up on our customer list

1:05:21

and eventually the venture capitalists

1:05:24

you know, they kept looking at it

1:05:26

they kept saying "Oh, we can't quite do it"

1:05:28

Finally, Linus appeared on the cover of Fortune

1:05:32

There was something happening with Open Source

1:05:35

Well, at that point, the venture capitalists
couldn't ignore it

1:05:40

they just got sick of hearing about Linux everywhere

1:05:44

and they got tired of me, just, you know

1:05:46

showing it to them every,
at that point it was almost every week

1:05:50

So they uh, they decided it was time to invest,

1:05:53

that there was something happening

1:05:55

I announced Open Source to the world on the Internet

1:05:59

I did a lot of the early... administrative work of

1:06:03

starting the Open Source Initiative

1:06:08

and I think six months later

1:06:10

I was reading the words Open Source

1:06:13

in the news all the time

1:06:16

and was totally astounded

1:06:19

And a year later, I believe

1:06:20

Microsoft was talking about releasing some source code

1:06:26

And someone in the press asked Steve Ballmer

1:06:29

if they were going to open source their code

1:06:32

and Steve Ballmer said,

1:06:34

"Well, Open Source means more than
just releasing the source code"

1:06:39

And I realized that he had read my document

1:06:42

and understood it and was now telling
the press about this

1:06:46

Now if you are like just a guy on the net

1:06:50

who's not doing this for a job at all

1:06:52

and you sort of write a manifesto

1:06:54

and it spreads out through the world

1:06:57

and a year later

1:06:58

the vice president of Microsoft is talking about that

1:07:02

You'd think you were on drugs, wouldn't you?

1:07:06

But that's what really happened

1:07:15

The Local Users Groups
tend to be more than an issue of

1:07:22

building a social network

1:07:26

especially getting people familiarized with the issues

1:07:35

also just acting as a kind of supporting network

1:07:40

for people who, who do not, for example,
have the ability

1:07:46

to pay for commercial support network

1:07:50

So one thing they're doing in this area

1:07:53

for example, is they're making these.

1:07:56

I think it's once a month

1:07:58

They're having install fests, which means that

1:08:03

people who have problems getting Linux
installed on their machines

1:08:08

or have some issue, I mean

1:08:10

maybe they've installed Linux

1:08:12

but want to set up the network in a specific way

1:08:15

can actually bring in their machines

1:08:17

to this users group meeting

1:08:18

And there's a lot of people there willing to help

1:08:23

who may have seen the same problem before.

1:08:38

Well, actually things aren't so well.

1:08:40

I tried it earlier myself. I had problems.

1:08:44

And so I came to this install fest where

1:08:47

all the gurus abound.

1:08:49

Hopefully I'll have better luck getting it in.

1:08:54

Instead of having, uh, sending e-mails, or

1:08:57

writing to news groups on the Internet

1:08:59

and waiting several days for the answers sometimes

1:09:02

it's easy to come here and find other people

1:09:06

who might know about your problem

1:09:07

and may be able to help you

1:09:10

And hopefully within a few hours

1:09:11

you have your machine installed

1:09:14

Originally I wanted to it install on
uh, my larger laptop

1:09:19

and so I just did a search on the net

1:09:21

and found where there were resources to get help

1:09:26

And um, I'm here today

1:09:28

cause I'm trying to put Linux on
this little guy right here.

1:09:33

just a Toshiba Libretto

1:09:36

It's not a easiest thing in the world to do

1:09:39

because it's a weird piece of hardware, so...

1:09:42

Any chairs around here?

1:09:58

I think that Department of Justice case

1:10:01

has made people aware of the fact that

1:10:03

you should at least look for alternatives to Microsoft.

1:10:07

and maybe Microsoft isn't the American dream after all

1:10:12

and that kind of shifting perception

1:10:15

you can very clearly see

1:10:17

that people just took Microsoft for granted

1:10:23

and maybe they're still buying Microsoft but at least

1:10:26

they're kind of more aware of the issue these days

1:10:29

Microsoft actually uses Linux as defense

1:10:32

They used Linux to ground a claim

1:10:34

that they don't have a monopoly

1:10:35

because Linux could essentially

1:10:39

push them off their catbird seat at any time.

1:10:41

It was a very ingenious argument,
totally specious

1:10:45

because it didn't

1:10:47

do anything to answer the charge

1:10:50

that they had previously engaged in

1:10:51

bullying and various anti-competitive practices.

1:10:55

but it was clever of them

1:10:57

And, in an event, the judge didn't buy it

1:11:02

While ordinarily we in the Linux community are
rather worried about

1:11:05

letting Microsoft become the issue,

1:11:08

but there was a Slashdot article
about December of '98

1:11:15

where a fellow named Matt at the noodle
had pointed out that...

1:11:22

the, a gentleman in Australia has managed
to receive a refund for

1:11:25

the unused copy of Windows that
came with his computer.

1:11:30

So he declared the 19th of January, was it January?

1:11:35

err, no, It was February. It was February.
Oh, I'm sorry, the 19th of February...

1:11:38

he declared 19th of February
Windows Refund Day.

1:11:41

and he encouraged everyone to go to
the computer manufacturers,

1:11:43

and return their unused copies of Windows...

1:11:47

as it was specified in the
Windows End-User License Agreement.

1:11:51

It's important to remember that
in the License itself, it says that

1:11:55

you can receive a refund if you don't use the software,

1:12:00

and that the manufacture is bound by law to do this...

1:12:04

or it was bond by contract.

1:12:06

and we found if you called up
these manufactures, they basically said...

1:12:10

"Stop bothering me kid." and hung up on you.

1:12:13

We didn't really wanna sort of giving out our location,

1:12:16

or where we were going to meet, until...

1:12:20

you know, the very last seconds.

1:12:21

What we did is, we have people meet
at the place where we could control

1:12:25

in the different towns around here.

1:12:27

So I was the San Jose marshal, and I believe Nick you were...

1:12:32

I was..., Rick Moen and I did San Francisco.

1:12:35

Right

1:12:35

and so we had maps there and we
handed them off everybody who was coming.

1:12:40

Well, we actually met at a Denny's
That's just outside the Foster City limits...

1:12:45

Foster City city limits,

1:12:47

which meant also just outside of
Foster City Police jurisdiction,

1:12:51

which meant any, any incidents
that happened at the meeting point

1:12:55

happened in the jurisdiction of San Mateo,

1:12:58

and if they told us they get lost, we'd say,
"Fine, we are going to Foster city. Bye."

1:13:02

It's sort of the Dukes of Hazzard method of
avoiding the cops, so...

1:13:08

Well actually, originally we marched
on the other side of this building.

1:13:12

We marched around and up onto the parking
structure that's up there,

1:13:17

and that's where Microsoft had a reception
laid out for us with

1:13:21

drinks
and a big sign that said...

1:13:23

"Microsoft Welcomes the Open Source Community".

1:13:26

and the local news cameras got shots of
Eric Raymond and Microsoft representative.

1:13:32

Microsoft's story seems to mostly be that...

1:13:36

...this was not an issue for Microsoft,
rather from the OEMs.

1:13:41

So we all needed to go back to our
computer manufacturers and try yet again

1:13:45

to try and get refund from them.

1:13:48

We responded to them saying, you know,

1:13:50

that we tried that and it's not possible,
we need Microsoft to take action at this point.

1:13:55

And they just repeated the tag line
over and over again...

1:13:58

"you need to go to the OEMs and manufacturers
and get your refunds there."

1:14:02

We had about 150 people,
probably half of which had signs and such, so..

1:14:09

Well, we ended up actually right
in this courtyard here.

1:14:14

Basically we originally met, gathered outside,

1:14:18

various people sent groups in,
people from FreeBSD camp sent a couple of folks in.

1:14:24

We had Eric Raymond and Chris
actually tried to go up eventually.

1:14:29

They had blocked the elevator off to us.

1:14:32

[ Where are the offices? ]

1:14:34

The offices are right up here on the 9th floor.

1:14:39

We got some really nice press out of it.

1:14:41

and we think as a result

1:14:43

Toshiba made it possible for you to buy
laptop without the operating system on it.

1:14:49

So, it's a small victory, but...

1:14:51

Well, even now, companies such as IBM and...

1:14:56

a lot of other computer manufacturers
are allowing you...

1:14:58

now to buy machines that don't have
Windows on them.

1:15:12

When I was a kid and I went to school,

1:15:16

the teachers were trying to teach us to share.

1:15:18

They said if you bring some candy,

1:15:21

you can't eat it all yourself, you
gotta share with other kids.

1:15:25

But now the administration says teachers
should be teaching kids to say yes to licensing.

1:15:31

If you bring some software to school,
"Oh! No, don't share it...

1:15:35

...sharing means you're pirate,
sharing means you'll be put in jail."

1:15:40

That's not the way society should work.
We need the good will,

1:15:46

the willingness to help other people
at least when it's not too hard,

1:15:51

because that's the basis of society,

1:15:54

that's the fundamental resource,

1:15:57

That gives us a society instead of
a dog-eat-dog jungle.

1:16:01

[ So what about people say if that if

1:16:03

you have rampant piracy and eliminate
the profit motive and...

1:16:06

...and creative works, software.
Will not... ]

1:16:09

Well, they were on both counts. For one thing,

1:16:12

people are making a profit from
developing Free Software,

1:16:17

but for another, the freedom to
have a community is more important.

1:16:23

[ People that look at, casually look at
Open Source Free Software and think...

1:16:28

Well, because you are supposed to
share and do it for people's good will,

1:16:31

Doesn't that seem someone communist.
What's your response? ]

1:16:34

Absolutely nonsense,
it makes me really angry when people do that.

1:16:39

Well, back in, back in 1989,
actually communism would have been a compliment.

1:16:45

the word people were using at that time
was "crazy",

1:16:48

and I want them to use capitalism.

1:16:50

Communism is an ideology that forces people to share.

1:16:54

If you don't share, you get thrown in jail or killed.

1:16:59

In 1990, we got a visit from a director
of an institute in uh, Moscow University,

1:17:06

and actually I saw him in Helsinki just 2 weeks ago,

1:17:12

but in any event, he came by,

1:17:15

and Richard Stallman had suggested
that he visit Cygnus,

1:17:19

because he was interested in and
understanding how the Free Software model...

1:17:24

might apply to stimulating entrepreneurial
innovation in Russia of all places,

1:17:31

and we had been kind of secretive
about our business plan,

1:17:36

because you know, we were'nt really
sure it's gonna work,

1:17:39

we didn't want to look too stupid if it failed.

1:17:42

But I was very very open with him.

1:17:45

The more I told him,
the more he started to shake his head like this,

1:17:50

and I finally said, you know, "What's wrong?"

1:17:54

And he said, "This sounds to much like communism
to be successful in Russia."

1:18:03

You got to go a Gulag and end up in a mass grave
with a bullet in the back of your head.

1:18:07

Open Source is not communism
because it does'nt force people.

1:18:15

Carl Marx did not invent helping your neighbor.

1:18:20

It's not communist to have a commons,

1:18:25

A commons existed long before communism as
a philosophy of government.

1:18:34

there are many commons in our lives,

1:18:37

For example, we drive on the highway,

1:18:39

something that is maintained for our common good.

1:18:43

Actually labeling our business model...

1:18:49

means that it misses the point a little bit.

1:18:51

whether it's communist, or whether it's capitalist,

1:18:53

the label doesn't matter, the real question is,

1:18:57

how much value can you deliver,
how scalable is the business,

1:19:01

what kind of problems,
what kind of of rate of innovation can you sustain.

1:19:05

and then, however you want to label that,
it's really up to you.

1:19:11

The Revolution goes Prime Time.

1:19:44

A lot of people described,

1:19:46

that August LinuxWorld as
"Linux's coming-out party",

1:19:49

Linus Torvalds was very funny about this,
he said, "What? Was Linux gay?"

1:19:56

But some people said
"Yeah, that was our debutante ball."

1:20:01

That was when the...

1:20:02

Linux Gods, and the hardware hackers
really got it together with the suits.

1:20:19

At 3pm on August 10th 1999,

1:20:23

Linus Torvalds delivered the keynote
address at LinuxWorld.

1:20:27

The crowds of 6000 people began lining up at 12 noon.

1:20:56

Ladies and gentlemen,
please welcome Larry Augustin...

1:20:59

LinuxWorld Conference Chair and President and
CEO of VA Linux Systems.

1:21:16

These guys have to clap, I pay them.

1:21:19

Thank you all for being here,
looks like it's been a great show so far.

1:21:24

If you'll indulge me for a moment, I'm going to
try to avoid the glare of the lights.

1:21:32

I still think there's lots of people,
even though this is the 2nd show,

1:21:36

I still think there's lots of people
who don't quite get...

1:21:40

...what it is that's so exciting about Linux.

1:21:43

So there is a great show going
on next door,

1:21:45

there's huge exhibits and everything,

1:21:49

but it's the people out here
that are real contributors, not those companies.

1:21:55

The person on next I know you all know,

1:21:58

so I don't have to give anything in the way
as introduction.

1:22:02

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you, Linus Torvalds.

1:22:06

Linus

1:22:15

Thanks.

1:22:20

Calm down.

1:22:29

Calm down.

1:22:32

Say "oooo".

1:22:33

yes.

1:22:35

I don't want to just give one
of my normal talks,

1:22:39

because I find them boring,

1:22:41

probably by now most of you find them boring
too because you've heard them like 10 times.

1:22:47

But after the technical updates,
we will actually try...

1:22:50

...whether we can do a question and
answer session with 5,000 people,

1:22:55

or how many of you there are there.

1:22:60

and it may not actually work out,

1:23:02

because one of the 5,000 people is really loud.

1:23:07

The one thing I will do,

1:23:08

which I always do in all my talks is
the gratitude thing,

1:23:13

I want to kind of acknowledge the fact that...

1:23:17

...I'm obviously not been alone in doing Linux.

1:23:20

RHAT IPO: On August 11, 1999

1:23:23

Red Hat Software became
the first Linux company to go public.

1:23:27

Red Hat, up 228%

1:23:29

this is the IPO that everybody was waiting for.

1:23:33

They of course are behind
the Linux operating software.

1:23:44

R-H-A-T, I know

1:23:50

All I've gotten today,

1:23:51

are comments about
what the stock price is, all morning,

1:23:55

you know it was
at 41, it was at 42, it was at 47,

1:23:60

it was at 53, it was at 51...

1:24:03

Every machine as far as I can tell
on the show floor

1:24:08

is pointed to their e-trade accounts or their
broker accounts, they know the Red Hat's price

1:24:13

I can't believe this.
47

1:24:16

I just heard 53.

1:24:19

Oh, boy.

1:24:20

Hang on, I didn't buy it.

1:24:22

You didn't buy?

1:24:24

No, no, I didn't buy.

1:24:26

I should've bought, but uh...

1:24:29

No no, that's great.

1:24:30

If it's... if it's....

1:24:32

You guys don't know?

1:24:34

Well, you know

1:24:35

Red Hat being successful as just means that

1:24:38

It legitimizes Linux
So it's much easier for us to go out

1:25:02

Rob Malda (CmdrTaco) ...
on the Red Hat IPO

1:25:06

It's kind of been a little bit divided.

1:25:08

You've got a lot of people

1:25:09

that are pretty hardcore and

1:25:10

And they're kind of offended by that

1:25:12

you know, cause they work really hard,
they are not really getting...

1:25:16

maybe they fair share out of that.

1:25:19

Some people do get ticked.

1:25:20

and you know the thing

1:25:22

that you see that on a lot of mailing lists
or on Slashdot you'll read, you know

1:25:24

This guy is really mad because he didn't
get chance to, he's didn't get a chance to do...

1:25:32

to get stock from Red Hat

1:25:34

He didn't get a chance to get...
to get a job from this other company, you know.

1:25:41

But the, the kind of the shocking secret
there is that,

1:25:45

Most the really hardcore guys,
you know, they don't care so much.

1:25:49

The guys that are kind of really down in trenches.

1:25:51

They're writing this code because
they need this code.

1:25:54

If we could invite Richard Stallman

1:25:57

who's the founder of
the Free Software Association

1:26:01

and Tim Ney, who's the managing director.

1:26:03

There we go. Hahahahaha

1:26:07

Ah, here it is.

1:26:10

Now, Richard, I saw you playing your recorder
at, in Paris at that Linux conference

1:26:16

But I didn't have audio tracks.

1:26:18

So would you them to add audio to their, uh...

1:26:20

Video downstream next time

1:26:23

Uh..I don't have any control over that

1:26:26

unfortunately those things can
only be done with non-free software.

1:26:35

We'll give you the award, and before you say a word,

1:26:38

we'll have a Tim and yourself hold up
a little representation of the contribution

1:26:45

towards the Free Software Association.

1:26:47

So, very ironic things have happened,

1:26:53

but nothing to match this

1:26:56

Giving the Linus Tovarlds award
to the Free Software Foundation

1:27:00

is sort of like giving the
Han Solo award to the rebel fleet.

1:27:11

You see, some of you may not realize how far
that analogy goes.

1:27:20

But actually let me tell you
how this, how we got here.

1:27:24

see what happened is,

1:27:26

15 years ago, if you wanted to use a computer,

1:27:29

the only way you could do it
was to, was with proprietary software,

1:27:35

software that divides and subjugates the users.

1:27:38

And most people just...

1:27:40

A lot of people didn't like it.

1:27:42

But they saw no alternative.

1:27:44

But some of us were determined
to make an alternative.

1:27:48

And we said we're gonna develop
a free operating system,

1:27:53

a free software operating system

1:27:55

that will give users the chance to have freedom
while they use their computers.

1:28:03

Now a lot of people said, "Well, it's a nice idea

1:28:06

but it's so hard, you'll never get it done,

1:28:09

so I don't wanna participate,
I don't believe you can ever get it done."

1:28:13

But luckily not everybody said that.

1:28:17

And clearly, we knew
we would eventually get the kernel done.

1:28:21

But as it happens.

1:28:23

somebody else did a better kernel before we did.

1:28:27

Now in the old days, we had an overall strategy

1:28:31

from calling people's attention
to the importance of freedom

1:28:35

To the freedom they can have, or not have,
when they use a computer.

1:28:41

Well what can we do about it?
As far as I can tell,

1:28:43

the only workable way of trying to
change this make that strategy work again

1:28:51

is to, spread the word that the operating system
you're using is actually the GNU system.

1:28:58

Somewhat modified of course.

1:29:02

And when people know this,

1:29:04

they'll take a look at the reasons
we developed this system.

1:29:09

They'll think about these issues.

1:29:11

And some of them will decide they agree.

1:29:14

So I ask people,
please tell the people this is the GNU system.

1:29:18

It's the combination of GNU and Linux
so we can call it GNU/Linux

1:29:30

[ So Larry, when you were at Stanford
8, 9 years ago during your Ph.D

1:29:34

did you ever think you'd be in this position? ]

1:29:36

No

1:29:37

[ All kidding aside. ]

1:29:39

No I had no idea honestly

1:29:41

[ What did you think you would be
when you were finished up with your Ph.D? ]

1:29:45

You know that's a good question,

1:29:46

I really didn't have a good idea, I mean.

1:29:49

Here we are, on this huge show floor.

1:29:53

There are people just going crazy about Linux.

1:29:57

We had 6,200 people crammed into a room

1:30:01

to see the Linux, Linus speak last night.

1:30:05

Here we are, with, you know,

1:30:06

all of these huge venders all over the show.

1:30:10

I..It's, just, you have no idea that
this is gonna happen.

1:30:13

I mean this is just this little operating system
that we're happy with.

1:30:17

that a few people cared about, you know,

1:30:19

I thought I'd have a nice little
consulting business.

1:30:22

And here I am suddenly,

1:30:23

with all of this huge show going on.

1:30:26

It's just incredible.

1:30:27

I mean, a year ago, you could look and say,
you know, this is gonna be big

1:30:31

and everyone standing at the show going

1:30:33

"You know the show was big last year,

1:30:36

is it gonna, is it gonna be as big as this year?"

1:30:40

The you remind them

1:30:41

"You know, last year was only 6 month ago."

1:30:44

And then they go "Oh, , Linux time".

1:31:19

So leading up to the IPO, uh...

1:31:21

we had arrived actually in San Diego
on Tuesday night

1:31:29

We spent Wednesday morning meeting investors
in San Diego.

1:31:34

We flew up to San Francisco

1:31:36

spent Wednesday afternoon meeting
investment firms in San Francisco

1:31:40

VA Linux Selected
December 9, 1999, as the day
for its stock to begin trading.

1:31:41

then on the Thursday morning of the IPO is

1:31:45

when our stock would be traded publically.

1:31:48

So it was nice we had ended
the tour in San Francisco

1:31:53

because we could go to the credit suite's
trading desk the next morning

1:31:58

to watch the public offering.

1:31:60

And in San Francisco being close
enough to the company, and to our families,

1:32:05

we could invite people up to
actually join us in the first trade.

1:32:10

So I invited my wife and we invited Linus and Tove,

1:32:13

and a number of other friends and people
who worked in the company in to join us.

1:32:17

Whenever we invite Linus and Tove,

1:32:19

they have uh, two young children,

1:32:23

and I have a daughter, Andrea.

1:32:25

And we always bring the kids along

1:32:27

so we went in to the credit suite's trading floor

1:32:30

with all these traders and there are these 3 year old kids

1:32:32

running around and chasing each other
around the show floor,

1:32:35

around the trading floor.

1:32:36

So Linus and I walked in and
we walked up in to the trading floor

1:32:43

and everyone was very excited.

1:32:44

And we kept asking them, well
"Hows it going? Are things going ok?".

1:32:48

And they said, "Oh, it's.. uh, we're really excited,

1:32:52

I think things are going well.

1:32:53

We don't wanna, We don't wanna say,
We don't wanna jinx anything."

1:32:57

We walked in and it was a big screen TV showing CNBC.

1:33:03

And it was amazing to us,
but the theme for the day was Linux.

1:33:08

Now we have an IPO that's gonna go today.

1:33:11

And when I mean go, it is going to go.

1:33:13

The estimates I'm hearing are staggering.

1:33:16

But watch VA Linux Systems. It goes at 12:40 today.

1:33:20

The symbol is L-N-U-X.

1:33:22

A provider of large scale computer
servers and workstations,

1:33:26

specially designed for the Linux operating system.

1:33:29

The original range on this IPO was
11 to 13 dollars, then 21 to 23, then 28 to 30.

1:33:36

Priced at 30, and the estimates I'm hearing
I don't wanna repeat

1:33:40

because I don't have a confirmation.

1:33:42

But if they're true, they will blow you're mind
when this stock takes off at 12:40.

1:33:48

I turned to Linus and I said "Gee, did you ever think,

1:33:51

you know, you'd walk in here some day and
Linux would be THE theme on CNBC?".

1:33:58

and Linus said in his joking way said "Oh Absolutely!".

1:34:01

So we walk in and they show us
the buy and sell orders coming in..

1:34:06

and it's incredible.

1:34:08

We're seeing numbers like
320 dollars, 340 dollars a share.

1:34:13

And I'm just in complete shock.

1:34:15

You know, this is over 10 times
where we priced the offering. It was incredible.

1:34:22

And I remember Linus just kind of,
sort of patting me on the back and saying,

1:34:27

you know "Relax..." and it was
pretty exciting to see that.

1:34:32

We were, it was just amazing. We were stunned.

1:34:35

We were lucky that we were able to
get back to the offices,

1:34:39

we'd been in San Francisco
so we could come back to VA's offices

1:34:44

to, to see everyone in the office for the IPO.

1:34:47

When we got back, we had uh,
everyone was obviously very excited.

1:34:53

The IPO had done just tremendously well.

1:34:56

We had a little party that we put together.

1:35:01

It was interesting, while we were celebrating

1:35:03

there were plenty of people that were still trying to work.

1:35:06

I recall cries of "Be quiet!",
"We're on the phone!", "We're Working!",

1:35:10

Uh, as we uh, as we went in to the offices.

1:35:15

One of the things I did was
I gave the road show presentation

1:35:19

for the employees back at the office,

1:35:22

so they could have an idea of
what we'd been telling investors,

1:35:25

and understand exactly what we'd uh,
put together for them.

1:35:30

But again the story of the day is VA Linux,
now up 766% to 235 dollars to 265.

1:35:40

Sue, the best performing IPO ever.

1:35:43

Here it goes, Sycamore Networks was uh,
priced at 38 dollars, surged to $270.

1:35:50

This has just beat it. And by the way..

1:35:53

[ How do you feel about potentially billions
of dollars of wealth being created

1:35:58

from your creation,
that you're not directly cashing out? ]

1:36:03

So, if I hadn't made Linux available, I mean,

1:36:07

I wouldn't have gotten any money that way either.

1:36:11

So I mean, It's a win-win situation.

1:36:15

Uh, just the fact that there are
a lot of commercial companies

1:36:23

means that there are a lot of Linux people
who used to work on Linux kind of on the side.

1:36:31

And now they get paid for
doing what they wanted to do.

1:36:34

And that helps me in the sense that
I wanted them to work on Linux anyway.

1:37:05

The whole GNU project is really one big hack.

1:37:12

It's one big act of subversive playful cleverness,

1:37:17

to change society for the better, because
I'm only interested in changing it for the better,

1:37:25

but in a clever way.

1:37:30

Hi, we're the GNU/Stallmans, and this is
"The Free Software Song"

1:37:36

Join us now and share the software;

1:37:40

You'll be free, hackers, you'll be free.

1:37:49

You'll be free, hackers, you'll be free.

1:37:60

Hoarders may get piles of money,

1:38:03

That is true, hackers, that is true.

1:38:14

But they cannot help their neighbors;

1:38:18

That's ain't good, hackers, that's ain't good.

1:38:33

When we have enough free software

1:38:37

At our call, hackers, at our call,

1:38:48

We'll throw out those dirty licenses

1:38:52

Ever more, hackers, ever more.

1:39:43

Join us now and share the software;

1:39:47

You'll be free, hackers, you'll be free.

1:39:58

Join us now and share the software;

1:40:02

You'll be free, hackers, you'll be free.

1:40:12

Oh, you'll be free

1:40:15

I let you know.

1:40:17

That you'll be free. [ repeat ]

1:40:21

I let you know

1:40:23

That you'll be free. [ repeat ]

1:40:32

That you'll be free. [ repeat ]

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